Why I left my Beta Husband

Uke_Skywalker
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So I don't know if this is tied into that Nightline thing from a while ago but give a gander at this...

http://lifestyle.msn.com/relationships/couplesandmarriage/articlemc.aspx?cp-documentid=2134246&GT1=9108

From the first paragraph I could tell there were going to be problems, it is kind of wierd hearing someone being embarassed about doing a job that you think is awesome. I really like the way she finished the article, but that does seem a little strange that she would go out and find another guy so like her last husband, anyway I thought this might be an article that someone would have something to say about.

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Greg Barbera
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beta husbands

There's a huge gap in the end of that piece.

was this guy a SAHD prior to meeting this woman?
if so, where's his kid(s)?

or is he now staying home to take care of her daughter?

sounds like she's got some issues.



Jim L
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Good riddance

What a bitch.



dgbianco
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I want put my fist through the computer.

This woman has got to be kidding me… My only hope is that her new SAHD leaves her for a SAH mom from the playground and they live happily ever after off of her alimony.

dg



Bill Ekhardt
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gap of self esteem and respect

"you had all these ambitions for me that I felt like I wasn't living up to," Mark said to me after our divorce."

The gap between the two husbands was self esteem. The first felt like a loser, and she felt like a loser for him. He didn't choose to be an at-home dad. He couldn't get a job. In fact, he couldn't for years. Its not clear he had ever had a job while they were married or before. He couldn't meet his lowest aspirations.

In contrast, her second husband was fully aware of who he was. He wasn't failing to meet his aspirations or even simple obligations. In contrast, he loves and values being an at-home dad, and he is confident in doing that role.

It is hard to respect someone who can not respect himself. A man feels love primarily because someone respects him for who he is. The first husband's inability to respect himself and his self perception that he was a loser (contributed to by their shared expectations for him) made it difficult for her to love him.

If we feel like a loser in our role as at-home dads, it will likely effect our marriages.
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Beta Dad
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Giving my side

Hello all. I'm the "beta husband" from that story and I wanted to tell some of my side of the story. Actually I should probably try to do that in Marie Claire, but this will probably make me feel better anyway.

Mr. Eckhardt is absolutely right. My self-esteem started to fall after I failed to get into the PHD program I wanted after I got my Masters degree and kept plummeting until Alpha Mom and I separated and I finally started getting help for it. Right around the time I graduated I had to deal with my father dying, Alpha Mom getting pregnant and deciding to leave her job and trying to negotiate the ultra-competitive New York job market with little experience and a purely academic degree.

I don't think anyone will be surprised to find that I became seriously depressed. I'd say I was depressed for five of the six years we were married. So, there I was every day enjoying the hell out of my daughter but resentful that I was expected to assume total responsibilty for the housekeeping and working part-time jobs that never turned into anything bigger, always feeling ashamed that I wasn't the big breadwinner. I was too crippled by low self esteem and fear of rejection to seriously look for better employment and unable to accept myself as a stay-at-home dad because I wasn't one by choice.

During this time Alpha Mom would say "do you think maybe you should get professional help?', but I felt that that would just confirm that I was weak. She would say, "If you were passionate about being a stay at home dad, I would be okay with it", but I felt that whe wasn't being truthful and that what she really wanted was for me to figure out a way to support her and let her stay at home. Maybe I was wrong on that, since the guy she started seeing while we were still married (actually we technically are still married, we haven't signed anything yet) is apparently just as underemployed.

So, that's what happened from my perspective. I feel I've worked my way out of depression and now I'm working on having better self-esteem. I'm still underemployed - I get full time hours, but no benefits, but I'm hoping that will change as I mend my fractured psyche. I still stay at home with my daughter on the days that I have her, this time by choice, and I still enjoy the time we spend together. Alpha Mom and I are still friendly and I like our new relationship much more than the old one.

I hope this will give you guys a better idea of what happened in that situation and maybe help out any stay at home dads who are in a similar situation.



howardaludwig
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This Web site is awesome

This Web site is really awesome. Not only do we get relavant articles and comments from fellow stay-at-home dads, but then we get "Beta Dad" himself to write in. This thread is a perfect example of how much of a resource this site has become.

As for commenting on the article, it seems like Beta Dad's problem was always self-confidence. It wasn't being a Stay-at-Home Dad that was the problem, rather it was the way he viewed the situation.

Beta Dad was never "underemployed." He has the most important job in the world. Still, it often takes a big dose of confidence to believe it.



brianc
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Well said!

Well said, Howard. I am happy to see you here at athomedad.org!

I really enjoy the articles you write for the Daily Southtown in Chicago. I look forward to reading them every Wednesday. For those of you who didn't meet Howard at the convention, I'll go ahead and give him the unsolicited advetisement!

Check out Howard's column at...

http://www.dailysouthtown.com/lifestyles/ludwig/index.html

Greetings to Bubba and The Wife!

Brian

P.S. Dad's Night Out tonight 2/25 @ 7:30 at Twisted Spoke on Ogden & Grand Avenue. Hope you can make it!



MileHiDad
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Welcome

Howard,
Glad to see you aboard and posting! I have been reading your Daily Southtown column for a while now, how's Bubba?
FYI, your column is linked on my Blog below.
Like I have said before,
Being an At Home Dad is the toughest job we'll ever love!



Bruce_GB_SAHD
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You're Alpha Dad to me (was Beta Dad's Giving my side)

I thank Beta Dad for filling in the blanks. You are THE Alpha-DAD to me! Your attitude is great. Yours is a cautionary tale is good ammo for us at-home dads to work on the important things and to get help when we need it. The story could go exactly the same way with the role-reversal of the role-reversal. ????

We need to take care of ourselves AND our families because the best gift we can give our children is a mother and father who love each other very much and love their kids too. Other arrangement of families have the same goals but I speaking from my own experience.

At first, the article seemed to bring up more questions that it answered. I am glad we have a place to discuss this and understand a little more about what is going on. We are here for you, Mark. We are dads, proud dads! (Hogan H.)



Bill Ekhardt
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The challenge of self image

Beta Dad, thank you very much for coming on here and responding. I am happy to hear that you are doing so much better. My thoughts are with you as your psyche continues to heal. I am sorry I didn't get back to this thread earlier.

Even for those of us who chose this life, feel called to it and feel like we are doing a good job, it is difficult to retain the self image we had when we were in the paid work force.

I am a pastor. It has been almost a year since I've been leading in a church. This last Sunday I started leading in worship again in a church our family has joined. It was good to get to use those gifts and I appreciated hearing the affirmation of the congregation again.

I am glad I am at home with my three kids. Everyone I talk to encourages me and appreciates what I am doing. Still, even in these best of cases, we've stepped out of the roles that normally establish men's standing in the community.
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