What does a "normal" 8-week old act like?

TitanInBoston
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Background: Daughter #1 (now 3 yrs) had an unbelievable case of infant reflux and colic. From about 3 weeks old to 15 months, she rarely slept for more than 2 hours at a time and never more than 10 hours in a day (most difficult 15 months of my life, by far!). After about 15 months, things got a bit better. She now sleeps well and is a great kid.

My wife and I felt like we almost died that first year and a half and considered not having any more children because we were too afraid of it happening again. But, as you can now well guess, we believed all the people who said, "it's highly unlikely you'll have the same sleep issues with your next child." Well...our second daughter is about 7 weeks old and she seems to be a repeat of first daughter. She is uncomfortable and crying most of the day/night. She sleeps in 2-3 hour chunks through the night (needing to be fed and rocked in between), and takes a few short naps (maybe 2 or 3 naps of 30-60 minutes each). While awake, she is usually fussy and sometimes outright hysterical in her crying. It's a frighteningly familiar pattern for us.

We have decided to try very hard to find a possible food allergy that might be behind all of this (something we tried with the first daughter, but, after reading more about food allergies, I now realize we may not have kept up with it long enough). So my wife, who breastfeeds our daughter, is on an "elimination diet" where she is eating only the most non-allergenic foods (rice, zuccini, pears, and chicken) for 4-6 weeks (or until we see results). Theoretically, if the child gets better, then you start adding in new foods one by one until you find which food/s causes the problem.

Thus comes my question: what does a normal 8 week old child act like? I realized I don't know what I'm looking for. Our doctor said the child should definately be sleeping more than she does. But how much? How much does/did your 8-10 week old child sleep in the night and day? How did they act during the day? How often did they cry? When they did cry, was it always traced to something that could be solved (eg- by feeding, changing a diaper, holding, rocking, etc) or were there times (if so, how often) were they inconsolable?

Your comments would help us know if we're getting results or not? At this point, I think we're both too sleep-deprived to be sure of much.



KevH
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I can't remember back that far

But I'm sure I'll be posting in 2 months and 8 weeks!

I think some kids just cry and scream a lot. My child didn't have it but I think it might just be their bodies learning how to deal with stimulation.

I'm Not a Slacker



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Colic

I think it's common to second guess Mom's diet, to phobically avoid certain foods that seem to cause a reaction, but I doubt that diet is the issue. Your baby has colic, a phenomenon that isn't entirely explained, but the theory is that it's similar in nature to menstral cramps. The pain might not be that agonizing, but a new baby is likely to be frightened by what seems to be the intensity of new sensations.

Have you tried reading Dr. Karp's book Happiest Baby on the Block? In summary, he encourages parents to do five things to simulate the womb:
1. Swaddling- we used a Miracle Blanket for our daughter and it worked like a charm.
2. Shooshing- we actually recorded the sound of the vacuum and played it for her and it always instantly calmed her.
3. Tummy pressure- the football hold is worth mastering.
4. Sucking- pacifiers always for babies with colic or you will scream.
5. Jiggling- last resort is a car ride but just motion in general will do the trick.

I should just assume that you know all that from your last experience. I don't know that much about reflux. When I did experience problems with spit-up, it was usually because I fed her too much or too frequently. We had a strict schedule of 3.5 oz every 3 hrs. But, that is anecdotal so take it with a salt grain.

I would think that a quicker way to see if breast milk is the culprit at all would be to eliminate the source. Keep pumping to maintain production, but only give your baby formula for a week. Our choice and preference has always been to breast feed, so I understand what might be your strong principles on the matter. But, it would be for a week, and it would be for a good cause. You might even consider doing a soy formula to see if the problem is actually lactose. I don't know.

In any case, you won't find any one answer for how a 2 month old baby should be. My second daughter slept a lot. I would say she was only awake maybe 6-8 hours a day. I was concerned, but it was normal for her.

You might want to consider mylicon drops and/ or gripe water. And watch out for too much stimulation like TV, excessive lights, and screaming 3 year olds. And a rigid nap routine. Naps in her crib only at 9am and 1pm and an early bed time of 6:30 to over-compensate for the accumulated lack of sleep. She might be over-tired.

Best of luck to you. Remember that colic usually only lasts for 3-6 months. You won't be in the shit forever. Your situation is different and my suggestions are merely what worked for me. Feel free to take it or leave it at your discretion, obviously.



JohnGilroy
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Heresy

That sounds unimaginably hard, I haven't any personal experience with food allergies but the worst case I have seen was a breastfed baby who had a full body rash, eventually through a process of elimination his Mom realised he was reacting to soy in her diet, she stopped eating soy products and his rash cleared up.
I know it's heresy but did you consider trying your baby on formula? Your wife can pump and freeze her milk for later but it could be a way of finding out if the issue is in your wife's diet.
I know that we have been lucky, both of our kids have been "easy", sure there has been sleepless nights but usually there has been an obvious fix for whatever is upsetting them. Fingers crossed.



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"Normal"

We have been very fortunate with our three boys. Each baby did not have anything like colic or reflux. So, the constant crying was never an issue. However, I must say that "normal" is a huge category. Although we never dealt with the crying issue, none of our boys truly "slept through the night" until they were almost 1 yr old. With all three babies, it has always been a chain of approximately 2 hour naps at night with up to 45 minutes of awake time in-between. Tough on a breastfeeding mom, but not as bad as what you describe.

So, I am saying that "normal" can look like a lot of things. I don't think a complete end to the crying would be normal, but definitely, periods of awake happy time would be a good indicator that baby is feeling better. Sleeping at night would not necessarily be an indicator that you should expect for "normal."



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TitaninBoston, Welcome to

TitaninBoston,
Welcome to the board and I’m sorry to hear about your problems. I concur that normal is a though category to quantify but I agree that there are certain parameters we like to know our children fit into for their age group.

I recommend “Healthy Sleep Habits Happy Child,” by Dr. Marc Weissbluth. He discusses many of the questions you are asking from a much broader perspective. He also provides the reader with a kind of formula for how much sleep a child should have at a given age etc. I followed/follow his advice as if it were gospel and my daughter is a champion sleeper and even though she has a naturally happy disposition I am often asked how it is she is almost always cheery and rarely melts down. I tell them she gets her naps.

Good luck and keep us posted.
~Jonathan



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+1

My nap advice also came from my interpretations of Weissbluth's book, for what it's worth. So, that is two recommendations for Healthy Sleep Habits, Happy Child.



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Feel for you!

Man- I was right there with you when our (now 17 month old) daughter was a newborn. When we switched to formula when she was three months a lot of the fussiness went away, but I know that's not for everybody.

I feel for you. Right now we're still thinking that one child is enough for us, that's not based solely on the same difficult experiences you mentioned, but it does play some part in our decision.

Hang in there and keep checking the website out. Jane's had a pretty shitty cold this week so we've been stuck inside- the only thing that's kept me sane is looking out at these boards.



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+1+1

-I found the baby whisperer to be a wonderful book.
It has answers for alot of the questions your asking IMHO.

http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Baby-Whisperer-Connect-Communicate/dp/0345440900/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1203799321&sr=8-1

Chef Kev

Put salt and pepper on it, if that doesn't work smother it in cheese ( marvelous cheese, so scrumptious and lovely)



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Side Note

Did ya all know that "The Baby Whisperer," is dead. I don't know whay I was so shiocked when I found that out but I was.
Be Seeing You.



jimpmc
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Been there...

My son had colic as well and the story is the same. After three months of sleepless nights and days a friend of ours suggested we try Hylands Colic tablets, and this is not a plug. It did not get rid of the colic but what it did was calm him down quickly and we were able to put him to sleep for a few extra hours per night. Check with your Doctor, ours said it was fine and it was definatly a big help. Also to aide digestion our doctor had us supplement breast milk with a soy based formula or try a lactose free formula. We mixed half / half and slowly increased the amount of breast milk. That helped also.



jpod00
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Reflux

All three of our kids had reflux. Steep learning curve with the first, but prepared us well for the next two.

Here is what "enlightened" our pediatrician to the problem. Our son, at about 3 months, always smelled like puke. Always, always, always, even after a bath and fresh clothes. When I (finally) asked why, the doc said, "OH...

A regular dose of liquid Zantac was perscribed and continued through most of his first year. The second went a little longer, and the third was the worst, needing to move up to Axid to get the reflux under control. If your regular pediatrician is not ready to try this possibility with you, ask for a referral to a pediatric GI specialist.

Something I forgot to mention: Our first went from inconsolable crying fits lasting up to an hour to no fits, no puke smell, and sleeping longer and better in a period of ... ONE DAY! The medicines are both benign. It is absolutely worth a try.

Jim
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Dad to Cole, Luke & Trev



David
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My daughter

We did not sleep for the first two years. She had it bad and was always fussy. We tried the car rides, top of a dryer (worked pretty good), rocking in a safe recliner (because I could sleep and she would be perfectly content), and several other things.

I sang to her whatever words come to my mind, used televison and music. As time went on she grow out of it and it scared us to death the first time she slept through the night.

With my son, we did not have that trouble. Both of our kids were breastfed also, and we also went through the food allergy list trying to assess our daughter. Our Indian (from India) doctor (absolutely coolest doctor) would suggest things he knew parents to try from India but I cannot recall what the stuff was.

My father-in-law (a pharmicist) tried to get us to use goat's milk but my daughter spent most of her time spitting up whatever we gave her.

I'll say a prayer for your family that this will clear up quickly for your little girl. As you know from the first, it goes away with time. Just not very reassuring when you are only getting two hours a sleep though. Do not worry about it too much. If she is gaining weight and the doctor says she is healthy, then keep plugging along.

Also, keep talking about it. It helps get through those frustating moments when you feel absolutely helpless and feel like pulling your hair out.



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