Imagination = Dishonesty

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So I took Andrew to the Kohl Children's Museum this afternoon. They are hosting the new Adventures with Clifford Exhibition.

In general the exhibition is not much more than a play area for kids with various "Kid Tips" from Clifford, et al. Here was one that struck me:

"When children grasp the difference between imagination and honesty they are on the way to understanding the value of telling the truth and becoming trustworthy."

I'm sorry, did the sign just tell me that imagination leads to dishonesty? Please tell me I'm wrong. (Esp. because I looked crazy writing the quote down on a half-sheet of paper with a crayon intended as a drawing sheet for kids....)




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Not quite that relationship

When you ask your child a question they can fabricate an answer based on reality, or they can fabricate an answer wholecloth.

If they don't know the difference then they have no impetus to tell the truth in that situation, so they are more likely to be dishonest than someone who knows the difference. This does not mean that by using their imaginations they will, later in life, be dishonest.

Or, to express it a little more philosophically:

Imagination is a necessary condition on being dishonest.
Imagination is not a sufficient condition for being dishonest.
Imagination does not imply dishonesty; but dishonesty does imply imagination.

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How about this?

When children do not grasp the difference between imagination and honesty they are on the way to becoming a schyzophrenic sociopath.



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All true

It's not that I didn't understand what they were getting at (although well put philosophically, Shawn and well put creepily, Colin) it's just the idea of connecting those two things so directly. I don't think imagining you are a knight in shining armor leads to, "Did you wash your hands?" "No."

Is dishonest simply a falsehood or bearing an intention. I don't think the kid who didn't wash his hands is imagining that he had.

Ok so I find this fascinating. You may all find it duller than a car hood in a junkyard. Feel free to ignore.

Josh

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Or a Chef

Chef Kev

NaNu NaNu and Shazbot at one time were all part of our vocabulary
JPhillip said it, therefor it is, Chef= C=Caring, H=Helpful, E=Excellent, F=Fubar.



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the quote just needs...

to be changed. What they are trying to say is not wrong but the way they say it is wrong.
New Quote:
"When children grasp the difference between right and wrong they are on the way to understanding the value of telling the truth and becoming trustworthy."

or truth and lie. Imagination is a good thing it helps a child grow and develop their mind and reasoning skills, but as Shawn has shown nicely above, imagination must be present for a lie to be made up. It was imagined.



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Very nice BPD.

I am impressed.



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Thank you, Thank you

I'll remember that one for my students.

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Agree

Very well put BPD.

Did we just have a ballyhoo about the lack of immagination and immagantive play as being detrimental to a chiald? You can't win. I agree it's important for a child to be honest but I personaly belive two things.
1) Truth and honesty are not the same thing.
2) Parents set the example for honesty and truth in how they interact with their kids.

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I guess sometimes it is VERY

I guess sometimes it is VERY difficult to understand what is Truth/Honest. Here why:

1. At home and in the schools kids are taught/pushed to be the first ones, to have perfect scores, to do everything, to have many friend and good relations.
2. Kids get a trick (or prize/medal/ribbon/sticker) every time they TRY to do something.
3. Most of the times kids are taught that ONLY with hard and Honest work they get Success

So it'll be confusing when they TRY (hard for themselves) and don't get anything, it's easy to be upset when Honesty does not bring Success.

The tiny border line between Truth (Honesty) and Dishonesty can be blended to get Success (prize/medal/ etc) as soon as possible.

Imagination is just one of the many keys the kids have to get success, how they use it depends more on what they are expected to show and how we, as parents, react when we are showed.

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Congratatio pro erudio et auxilium
Itux



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