http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2008/05/12/edwards.skimpy.prom.dress.khou
My oppionion? Tacky yes but...? I dunno. If there were guidlines then the school is in the right.
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Prom Dress: You be the judge.
forget the school not
forget the school not letting her in, her parents should never have let her out! no way on this side of heaven would i let my child leave the house looking like that. i'm 100% behind the school on that one.
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17?
Tattoos... $200.
Tongue piercing... $30.
Custom dress... $400.
Dressing appropriately at 17 for your future career as a stripper... Priceless.
She violated the rules, so sympathy can be found between "shit" and "syphilis" in the dictionary.
-Will
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future career as a stripper?
That's a big harsh, bordering on racist.
I'm not saying I think it was smart for her family to let her out of the house, but why was she taken away in cuffs? If she broke the school's rule, then fine, send her home. But if she just the townspeople, the sponsors and the chaperones, oh well, too bad.
I decry how slutty girls and women have become but I don't think the should be arrested or ostracized. This is what they've been taught in many areas of our society.
who mentioned anything about race, dbrigham?
dbrigham, i don't see any where gaming mentioned anything about race. where in the world do you get that from his comment about her being a possible future stripper. i want to know what her parents were thinking letting her go out like that also. this obviously is a girl that shows little discretion, and doesn't say much for her parents' guidance either. i'd like to feel that my wife and i will teach our little girl to respect herself to where she wouldn't want to portray herself that way. the fact that she was taken away in cuffs is probably her own fault. sounds to me like she was given the opportunity to do the responsible thing and leave on her own accord but left the school officials no other choice but to call the cops to have her removed. kudos for the school officials for sending little miss hilton away......
Wow Dave
Evel Knievil couldn't make that leap. I said nothing regarding race and if you want to read that into it, well, that's your problem.
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respectfully withdrawn
I read too much into what you wrote, Will, and I apologize. In this post-Imus world, I guess I'm on the lookout for that kind of stuff. Race is always a touchy subject, but I brought it in unnecessarily.
No apolgies necessary
It's a sad byproduct of the current state of our society that we often read too much into things.
-Will
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the sad thing is
The sad thing is, when I do encounter real racism I don't challenge it. That's the nature of my being. I play baseball and sometimes we play games in some rough neighborhoods in Boston, and guys on the team start talking about how we'd better bring our guns with us to the game. I just ignore them or chuckle, but for the most part I think they're overreacting to news hype and stereotype.
As far as I can see this is
As far as I can see this is just another example of someone with a little too much power ruining someone's day.
It's a horrible tacky dress but so what, she's 17, it's her prom, let her have her fun.
'I decry how slutty girls and women have become"
What you think when you look at someone is a reflection on you not on them. There are countries where there are dress codes for women (and men), it sounds miserable to me.
"future career as a stripper..."
weren't you crying about stereotypes yesterday?
one inch
On the first line in the "Rules and Regulations" for the prom it states--No more than one inch can be showing in the mid section. Clearly she did not read the rules, nor did her parents. The school was in the right and I would not be supprised if they wont let her graduate for conduct at the prom ie... arguing and misconduct.
The Sceen
I agree. This is news given recent world events? Shaw? Were is Cronkite?
The story does have a few holes. One being how heated the sceen got when the gal was told she couldn't enter the prom. This was the prom for others as well and why should the good of one out weigh the good of others? Not to mention if there was a dress code - most proms are fromal - then she violated it. Shoot, after my white suburban privlaged highschool prom my highschool passed a ban on wearing anuthing but dress shoes for men. The hepsters in my class (1989 thank you) all wore high top Chuck Taylors. Why that? I still don't know.
And no I didn't go to my prom. Yes I had a date but I was sure as shit NOT going to pay for an evening with people I couldn't wait to get away from. I went to Anthrax in Greenwich to see Fugazi play. $9 total including my can of Jolt.
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My brain's a little wigged
My brain's a little wigged out since having my vasectomy today. I seem to be writing things unclearly. I guess I was "crying" a bit about stereotypes, unfairly as it turned out, but I disagree with your premise, John G., about how people dress.
What I think when I look at someone IS a reflection on me, not them. But that doesn't mean that the thought I'm having isn't what that person WANTED me, and others to have. Hell, I'm a sloppy 43-year-old SAHD but when I get dressed I think about what image I'm projecting, and what people will think about what I'm wearing, whether it's a Flaming Lips t-shirt, a Red Sox shirt or a Scottish cap (granted, nothing too shocking, but I have a certain "style").
I have no real problem w/women dressing provocatively, but I wonder about the motives. And as for girls dressing with bared bellies, low-cut tops and too much makeup when they're not even in high school, I wonder what messages they are getting from their families and society. I'm not lookin' for dress codes, but at least some sense of age-appropriateness.
Maybe that makes me old fashioned or hallucinatory. OK, gotta go ice my gonads....
I think the stripper quote
I think the stripper quote was originally GWB not you dbrigham.
This girl is 17 leaving high school not a 12 year old. she should be allowed to dress how she likes for HER prom, sure it was provocative but it's a party, not a day in the classroom.
A rule about inches of midriff sounds very arbitary to me but maybe there is a public safety angle I'm missing.
Mostly it just irks me to see this girl called a stripper or slut just because of what she wore. She was foolish but aren't most people at 17?
Do you have daughters John?
Would you allow her out of your home dressed like that when she is still legally a minor and still legally in your charge? There's no way in hell my daughter will ever wear anything like that so long as she is still in my care and I draw breath. And as to my implying her future career possibilities, in this society outward appearance plays an monumental role in how we are perceived, Dave already has alluded to it. For this seventeen year old girl to think it acceptable to wear nothing to her prom, to cause a spectacle, and then expect sympathy for the whole mess is indicative of a much larger problem that if not addressed will lead her to do make choices that coalesce into something far worse than anything I could imply.
And before you think that I'm making rash and gross generalizations into this matter, I'm speaking from fourteen years worth of experience watching my best friend walk that path. She's been down every dark walkway along it and she sees the same thing I do. Her book will be available this fall on Amazon.
-Will
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GwB I do have a daughter but
GwB I do have a daughter but that's irrelevant to the topic.
This girl didn't "wear nothing to her prom".
OK so she made mistakes,, she doesn't deserve much sympathy but my point is she equally doesn't deserve to be vilified. Especially because of assumptions made based on someone else's experience. Like you said she is still a child.
"in this society outward appearance plays an monumental role in how we are perceived,"
That is a red herring, she was going to her Prom, a private event, not out in public.
Formal Event
Rules and regulations at formal dances are in place so the students (underage) don't go overboard. Be it drinking, attire, or drugs. It is for the safty of the students. Wearing inapproate attire only fuels the raging hor-mones and leading into unwanted or wanted sex. Clearly the parents are at fault. Personally, my daughters will not where a dress like, that at anytime, for any occasion. Until they can make that desision on their own, should be about 25.
Dave Chapelle
If I was walking down the street and dressed in a police uniform and some one ran up tp me screaming, "Police! Police!" they would be shocked to when I said "oh no I'm not a Cop." So you may not be a hooker but you are wearing the uniform.
I will also add that a 17 year old can not join the millitary with out parental permission, can not be tried as an adult in court, can not legaly buy a drink. We have agreed in theese United States that there are ages where parental infuance, even in the school, are warrented.
Moreover JohnGilroy, the news clip makes the "girl" in question appear to be a victim or martyr to indavidualism. We here at AtHomeDad, all parents, are haveing a disscussion on this topic.
She could turn out to be a CPA, National Park Ranger, or who knows what, but for now she is a minor.
A friend of mine from Virginia told me that the rules for attending his prom included that men have on a tux and white gloves too-boot. Purchasing of tickets to the prom means you are in compliance with these rules. Should she get her money back? Yes.
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I don't know
Two observations:
1. That this was even a national story is a sorry commentary on our culture. News is a profit driven business and stories like this are shown for one reason: lots of people get to feel superior and object to someone else's idoicy. I saw Nanny 911 for the first time the other day and that show is a colossal monument to this illusion. Don't get me wrong, I like to feel superior to others as much as the next guy, I just don't think it is a healty attitude to reify in the news or tv shows.
2. Most of the comments here seem to place blame squarely on the parents. The individual as central mythology imbedded in this critique is questionable. I taught in Detroit Public Schools for several years and to think that those kids could 'pull themselves up by their bootstraps' is lunacy: we are a product of our surroundings. While one would be silly to dismiss her parent's culpubility, it is equally ignorant not find fault with our society as a whole. Have you watched a music video lately? Most popular tv shows? This 'slutty' style of dress is hoisted upon young women to a disturbing degree.
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Chris
her real motive seems....
it seems to me that her real motive was to attract attention. why else would someone dress that way. i guess being led off in cuffs after such making such a spectacle of herself might not have been the attention she wanted though.
and who says this was HER prom. this wasn't just HER prom, but the other students as well and also the school's prom. if my daughter or son was at that prom, and didn't feel comfortable because of what that girl was wearing, then how is it fair to let her ruin the night for the other students?
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