In my daily travels I happened to stumble across http://www.dadstayshome.com/. I have material posted at AtHomeDad.org as a lot of you do that is showing up there with no reference to the original author; with just a general www.athomedad.org link with no specific reference to the material. I may be missing something here, anybody familiar with this site?
Are We Being Plagiarized ?

I think we need a copyright statement for this web site. Something to the effect of stating that content posted on this site is the property of the person posting (hereby referred to as the OWNER) and reposting may not happen without the expressed written consent and permission of the owner.
We need to protect what's ours and keep Don at http://www.dadstayshome.com/ from posting our writings as his or give the author his warranted due. I for one, am pissed at this chicken shit journalism. Am I being unreasonable? Or should I just be adult about this infantile behavior and let it slide?
I think I may be changing my signature line to say "Originally Posted at athomedad.org/ by MileHiDad."
Yea or Nay, comments anybody?
This is the second time I am reading or hearing about this. I asked each individual site for PERMISSION to use the RSS feed on the new feature at dadstayshome.com I am experimenting with. I am very familar with copyright law, study it a little in graduate school.
I sent emails to every site, asking for permission, including this one, who set it up so I could use it.
here is a response to my email
Hi Don -
I added an RSS feed at:
http://www.athomedad.org/rss/main
This is new, so if you find any problems with it, please let me know. Currently, it feeds any published content, be it a front-page announcement or message board post.I can feed any section or subsection of the site, so if you have thoughts on what would be most useful, let me
know that too.
Thanks,
Mike
For the record, I use the RSS feed for this site to try and help drive traffic to it, not to steal traffic.
I have enough to worry about, 2 kids, wife who is not totally happy with her job, 2 dozen spam sign ups a day (thank god vbulletin is great for this, makes it easy to delete them) and another dad centered site that I won't mention cause next thing you know I'll be a stealer and a spammer.
I never ever bash other sites, nor talk about other site owners without first searching for the facts. My members mention my sites at various places. I cannot help that but I am glad they do mention my site from time to time. Not everyone can like every site, I realize that. Dadstayshome.com has been online over 7 years. The site has evolved. This new feature is a simple digg.com clone. The goal was to make a central spot to keep up on SAHD news and blogs. That's it, period.
If you want to stop by and say hi! Feel free. If not, I understand, only so much time in the day.
Edited to say that the ads in the forum are only shown to non registered users ( skipped the second bashing response). I have never recouped my sites costs. Actually reminds me I need to put my amazon links to the SAHD books on the homepage, that was the only thing I ever sold. Might be lucky to make $10 a quarter.
Thank you for your time.

That's how the mods behave over at dadstayshome? Sounds like fun.
We got enough drama over here without sao95 coming over and embarassing himself on his first post. You need to work up to that type of flaming. Maybe start a thread about your love of fishing with your kids first...then you can begin hypocritically calling people dicks.
I don't know how RSS feeds work, but maybe you guys can figure out a way not to pull from our forums. There are plenty of articles and stories published on this site that aren't a part of our discussion boards.
Hi fellow dads, another dadstayshome member, and SAHD for almost 9 years, here. I think if you spent some time on the site, you'd see Don is a really good guy, a stay at home dad like the rest of us. He puts a lot of work into having a spot for us AHD's to have some adult interaction and advice. If you read some of the threads there you'll see there's been a lot of struggling dads (myself included sometimes) who have really been helped out by it.
If sao seems a little defensive it might be because of some of the words you used to describe Don and his site to start with here. It shows the loyalty that gets built on the forum. Could also be because sao has a baby in the house, a toddler, and a new house he's refurbishing, think we can all relate to how stressful that is.
There's only a few of us SAHD's out there in the world, seems like it'd be best to be as supportive of each other as possible. If not, well, good luck to you guys. Our kids are learning from us.
-Riggs
I don't know how RSS feeds work, but maybe you guys can figure out a way not to pull from our forums. There are plenty of articles and stories published on this site that aren't a part of our discussion boards.
I'm all ears :) Mike set up that RSS feed. I'm not sure how RSS feeds work for the rest of the site and the scripts he is using.
Anyone SAHD site is welcome to add their RSS feeds. I can include summaries or just linked titles (I do that for Rebel Dad per his request.)
I never set out to "Steal" anything. I'm not in this for fame and fortune. I'm quite the opposite. I turn down most media requests.
When this site formed, I emailed, asking how I might be able to help.
Such is life I guess, you can't like everyone. It's just a shame that this issue boils down to false accusations and name calling. I can't say there's no hard feelings, but that's not directed at this site asa whole, just a few members.
And this Digg clone I created (with the assistance of freeware)is in "beta" and I was hoping to create more unity among the SAHD community online.

Thanks for clearing up the misunderstanding. That's really all it was. Nobody here wanted to start a daddy war, I don't think. It seemed to be more confusion and speculation than actual accusations, but I can also see how this thread was perceived as insulting. Now we all know what's going on, and it shouldn't be a big deal anymore.

His site just seems to grab things from all of the Dad sites without any credit given to posters/bloggers/etc. At least with Mile-Hi's posts, the athomedad.org is listed. With Rebeldad.com's latest post, the link reads http://feeds.feedburner.com.
I found this explanation on Don's website of his PLIGG site:
"Pligg, originally named menéame in Spanish, is a web application that allows you to submit an article that will be reviewed by all and will be promoted, based on popularity, to the main page. When a user submits a news article it will be placed in the "pligged" area until it gains sufficient votes to be promoted to the main page."
IMO, Don shouldn't be allowed to submit our articles/posts without permission.
Jim

Don,
Thank you for your explanation. I've edited my previous post to take out the name-calling, which I apologize for. I should have emailed Mike to see if he'd granted permission for the athomedad.org RSS feed before posting. Like TickTock, I wasn't sure how RSS feeds worked until I read your explanation above.
It sounds like a lot of great things are taking place and that you're providing a valuable service to many SAHDs. Keep up the good work. I also appreciate the class with which you handled my unwarranted criticism.
Jim
JimD,
I appreciate the apology. I was not expecting one but it's nice to read :)
Since the script is a beta, some things are hard to control. Like the URL, it uses the feed URL which in some cases is created by a 3rd party, like feedburner.
My plan was/is to let this run for a few months. Then eventually site owners would register and submit their own articles.
RSS feeds are easy because they allow automated importing. I have it set to import feeds every 24 hours.
Most of the the feeds are from Dadstayshome members. Only 3 or 4 are from outside sources.
If you ever go to digg.com. Many articles are not actually submitted by the writer but readers. I try not to publish full articles, but some RSS feeds only have full article text in them.
I was/am hoping to spread traffic to everyone. There is something called the "digg effect". If your site makes it to the front page of digg, many times you get so many visitors your server crashes. I do not want my server to crash, haha, but would love to help boost traffic to those who want it (as long as it's not spammy)
I hope we can put this to rest and live happily ever after :)
Don you're way too nice. Hey dumb nuts, why don't you try to get a few facts before you start slandering people. And Jim, is that D for (edited), must be. Maybe if you registered you'd see that the banners are not there for members. Seriously what a bunch of (edited), come on over to dadstayshome so I can ban your (edited)...
since JimD edited his post I edited out the name calling in mine.
Ticktock,
that's how the mods act when people start throwing around accusations. And they were accusations. As for embarrassing myself, that's fairly subjective, personally I don't feel embarrassed in the least. And am I a hypocrite, no as everyone on dadstayshome knows I'm a mother fucker, not a dick, a subtle difference perhaps but still a difference ;)
Seems to me if you are all so touchy about some other site stealing your "content" you would simply remove your RSS feed, I mean it's not like anyone made you put it up (ya you have to put it up god didn't put it there) if you open your site up and say come take what you want well than don't be to damn surprised when some one does just that! It's like donating a bicycle to a man who needs one than calling the cops to have him arrested for stealing it??
I think the whole problem here is Mile HIGH has been getting a little too HIGH in the mountains! He should also review his understanding of copyright laws in the United States, once again if you tell folks they can have your contend (yes putting up a RSS feed is doing just that)it is absolutely legal and within copyright laws of the US.
It seriously sucks that anyone would want to bash fellow SAHD's being we are so few but hey Jackass's come in every size, shape, religious belief and skin color!
Well I've got kids to feed and laundry to do, you all have a pleasant day!

We didn't know that there was an RSS feed linked to the other site. Few of us have ever heard of an RSS feed, and I'm sure only a handful of us even knows what one does.
You guys have come over to inform us, and now we know. Thanks for doing that. Lord knows we aren't immune to snarkiness here, but call off the dogs please.
Wouldn't a better example be that we are a kid whose parents loaned our bicycle to the neighbour's children, and then we see the boy from next door on our bike and freak out and tell all our buddies that we're going to call the cops... only to find out from the neighbour that our parents were the one's who loaned the bike... and now the neighbour's kid is all up in our face acting like we knew our parents loaned our bicycle?
Well, you all seem to be working this little spat out on your own. That is good.
I will now add my notes:
1) Yes, they have my permission.
2) The idea is simple: We syndicate some of what we have here to other sites. This lets other people see a preview of the content here and a link back here. It is, in fact, displayed with a link back here. That's free publicity, which is a good thing.
3) Uhh...we do the same thing here. Notice the "Rebel Dad" and "At Home Dad Newsletter" columns on the right side of the page? Different colors and fonts, same concept. Everyone benefits. And, yes, I've asked the relevant people for their permission.
4) The webmasters are fine with all of this. We talk nicely to each other and cooperate. We're not in competition and we don't bitch at each other. Notice that none of the people who actually run the sites are freaking out here. Why can't you all do the same? I think I can safely speak for all of the site owners when I say that none of us appreciates the flame wars. It doesn't matter if you perceive an issue, don't know about some technology, agreement, or whatever - have your concern, but sort it out like a (respectful) adult.
5) If you appreciate ANY of the at-home dad sites, please show some respect for our collective efforts by filling our message boards with intelligent conversation rather than this bitchy crap.
Thank you.
Webmaster Mike
Very Nicely Put Mike...
I am also a Mod at Dadstayshome, but I leave the biting to SAO... LOL
Something we all might want to try is working together. Like Mike said there is no competition between the site owners. It is all about one thing...PROMOTING AT HOME DADS!!! Not only do I mod that site, but I am the owner of "A Man Among Mommies" and write for Dons other project. Plus I have a adventure blog with a group of outdoor friends. On my blog I have a TON of links to sites including this one and offer a RSS feed.
We as At Home Dads deal with enough crap from much of the uninformed public, the last thing we need to do is fight amongst ourselves...
I will try to post here when I can, but maybe some future project could be done with the cooperation of all the members of all the different dads sits.
Be Well...
DarthDaddy... A man Among Mommies...
As my 3 year old likes to say when he goes potty "Now that's what I'm talkin about." Mike, I agree with your statements 100% :)
Too bad it take a flame war to get interaction back and forth.
We need an inspirational speech or something. Maybe BORROW some content from MLK " I have a dream, that one day all SAHD sites can live in harmony." "Stay at Home Mommies will accept us whole heart-idly" "I have a dream, that Slowlane will no longer be the most mentioned SAHD website. Let Athomedad.org and other well managed sites come to the forefront."

Have we nothing better to do than argue over the internet? I had never even heard dadstayhome.com site before and thought I would bring it to my associates attention, sorry for any flame I may have caused.
Let’s move on guys, pick up a book and read to the kids, go for a walk, lube the stroller, do the anything just step away from the keyboard and breathe deep and crack your knuckles if you’re so inclined.
I have gotten a little “overindulged” in the past from the walls closing in and gotten in too deep in a discussion before, right Ticktock? No need for a reply. This is turning into “byte” turf wars so everybody back to their corner to remove the gloves, spit in the bucket and remember what is really important here, and that is to set a good example for your kids.
And with that said-
Anybody hear a good cheesy joke lately?
This mushroom walked into a dance club and asked this girl to dance.
She replied, "Are you kidding? You are a mushroom!!" And the mushroom replied, "Oh come on. I am a FUN GUY!!"
Get it???
geesh, would you guys put your clothes back on and stop spooning. Ya I'm just joking around. Personally a "daddy war" would have been fun I think, and controversy sells, you'd have had more people reading the forum than ever before, but peace is fine I guess, maybe silvio is up for a good fight, err I mean debate. All joking aside though, a few suggestions to mbieweng, if I may be so bold. I didn't detect the presence of a mod on this board and it may have helped. On our board Don keeps us fairly well informed about what's going on, and he's fairly busy, so if something like this were to come up and he was cleaning poop off the wall at the time one of his mods could step in and explain what is up, likewise your's could have the first day mile-hi posted, curbing the outbreak of a "daddywar". Just a suggestion ;)
oh and darth doesn't bite because he's the touchy feeling guidance counselor mod :lol: j/k darth
i steal from my own web site!
check it out:
www.thechestpains.blogspot.com
Never Make A Promise You Can't Keep*
The promise: To build a tree house for my son Spencer before his fifth birthday.
I would like to mention up top here that this was not my idea – but the wife’s. She’d been looking at web sites and books with schematics and decided that she would take off the week of Easter, essentially Spring Break for the masses, and we will build the tree house.
The beginning of my tree house boot camp started on Saturday, March 26, 2005. My wife and Spencer drove to a lumber store in Burlington, NC, because it was significantly cheaper than the local Lowes or Home Depot.
My wife is all about the discount.
When they returned, Spencer ran in to tell me of how the wood fell out of the truck and that “people he didn’t even know” helped them pick the wood off of the highway. Yes, I just said HIGHWAY. My wife and son were one of those people – the kind who spill lumber out of the bed of a truck. Shortly thereafter, I ferried 60 pound bags of cement to the backyard and hauled whatever timber was needed at the moment off the back of the truck.
In the blink of an eye, my wife darted off to rent a two-person auger. Boy, did we feel sore the next day. But shit if we didn’t get some holes burrowed and 6” x 6” x 12’ posts set.
We finished framing the tree house, fastening lumber with lag screws to the pine trees which acted as the back of the tree house. Since we don’t have much in the way of tools, we borrowed a power drill and some drill bits. Outside of that, our circular saw, a hammer, and a pair of vice grips do the bulk of the work.
Day One was over and we were spent.
Sunday, Day Two, began at the crack of dawn. The kids were fed breakfast, coffee was made and by 9 a.m. the family was outside and construction continued. 5 ¼” x 6’ x 10” decking boards were placed as flooring. By now it was apparent that our thorough measuring wasn’t all that thorough: some angles weren’t straight and some lumber wasn’t level. We were well on our way to building a tree house of Dr. Seuss proportions.
Midway through the day, my hands became to sore – the hammering of ten-penny nails and screwing 2 1/2” screws into planks with a shitty drill bit took its toll.
We broke for the day at dinner time.
Monday found rain in the forecast so I attended a business meeting most of the day and it turned into a day of much needed rest; a day to recoup our energies and step back and take in what progress had been made.
Tuesday began much like the other days: the kids got fed the coffee brewed and then off to the backyard to work amongst the backdrop of whirring saw blades, buzzing drills, kids hollering and us screaming back at them. The agenda called for putting up the 6’ x 6’ sides, slapping up railings made with 2 x 4s and placing the balusters. The balusters mimic the look of the deck in our backyard and also function as a safety element prohibiting the kids from falling off the sides. As dusk arrived, the yard was cleaned of its construction litter and the tools placed back inside, because the next day was Spencer’s birthday and for that we spent the night at Wrightsville Beach.
Wednesday morning slogged by because we couldn’t leave too early since check-in time at the hotel wasn’t until after 3 p.m. We packed clothes and organized toys to be used as distractions for the kids during the 2 plus hour drive to the beach.
The wife was behind the wheel and we were somewhere east of Raleigh. She came upon what appeared to be an unmarked police car. He sped up and she followed him. Then he slowed down and got behind a car in the right lane. My wife did the same. He broke out of the right lane and sped up. Again, my wife followed suit. Finally he settled back into the flow of slower moving traffic in the right lane and with that my wife made the executive decision that the unmarked car is not a cop after all but probably just some business man. She zoomed past him in the left lane.
Moments later she cried out, “Dammit! It was a cop.
I turned around to see the red and blue blinking lights. I started to search for the registration in the glove compartment.
“Ma’am,” he said. “Do you know hwy I pulled you over?”
“I was doing the speed limit,” my wife snapped back.
“Ma’am,” he said emphatically. “Don’t argue with me! I haven’t written a ticket in over four years but I still could if I wanted to.”
The cop is obviously angry. He lectured her about safe driving. “Especially with children in the car,” he said.
“Ma’am,” he said sternly. “Please drive safely.”
The rest of the car ride to the beach is done in silence.
The beach was fun. The weather was great, the ocean water was predictably cold, but the pool was heated. Spencer did double duty going from beach to pool to beach and then back again to the pool until late in the evening. We attempted to eat dinner out by our youngest Cole was restless at the dinner table so we retreated to the room and ordered room service where we sat and ate as we looked out from our balcony to the beach, the waves and the horizon.
We ordered The Incredibles on pay-per-view and collectively snuggle in bed. Despite all the hype I’d heard about the movie, it barely kept my interest - or anyone else’s for that matter – and consequently drove the whole family to sleep.
Sunrise came too soon.
We hit the breakfast buffet, tackled the beach and pool one more time, than headed back home. Once home the car was emptied and it was back to the business of building a tree house. A couple of hours were put in tinkering before we shower up and the babysitter arrived. The wife was on vacation after all so a nice dinner between the two of us was a must.
Friday - Day Four of proper building if you are counting - came and we framed the roof, built a ladder, and attached a slide. The wife had second thoughts about putting on a tin roof because it cost too much so she settles for a blue tarp. I balked at the blue tarp because it didn’t appear very safe – the tarp wasn’t going to break the fall of a pine tree limb. So the roof situation is rethought and it is decided that the tarp with go and the tin roof will stay.
Saturday came and we now had a tree house in the backyard. But it was raining and the yard was all tore up from all the lumber and saw dust and still muddied from the previous rain storm earlier in the week. Our goal to finish in time for Spencer’s birthday party on Saturday was achieved only nobody was going to get to enjoy it since it was pouring down rain.
We kept the promise we made by building the tree house in time for his party. But it wasn’t an easy task.
And another lesson in the world of parenting was learned: never make a promise you can’t keep.
*A version of this essay originally appeared in Raleigh's The Hatchet.
At home dads unite... not fight!!
www.thechestpains.blogspot.com
The Dirt On Dad
The first major obstacle, and there would be many, that I had to wrap my head around when I first became a stay-at-home-dad was laundry. With a thirteen-month-old boy, there was always laundry to be done. Growing up my mother always had a dedicated day for laundry, usually Saturdays but sometimes Sundays. By the time I got to college and started washing my own clothes I noticed religious undertones to doing laundry; for some it was like the Sabbath, a day dedicated to observing nothing but washing machines and dryers.
But with an infant, laundry can be a daily routine. There are burp cloths, drool bibs and exploding diapers. It is basically impossible to keep a baby’s clothes clean - they puke, they piss, they crawl, and they cry - there’s not a moment in their existence at this stage of life when they possibly can’t soil their clothes.
Laundry, and the constant need to do it, was the first household chore to make me feel like I was going mentally ill. It was like trying to stave off waves from the sand castle you built at the beach as a kid, a useless and plumb silly task. And just when you thought you’d gotten a hand on the boy’s laundry, along came time to wash our clothes. I had to have a crash course from my wife in the basics of “line drying” clothes and told that it was imperative that I read the labels as to how to care for certain articles of clothes. Curses! It just seemed to never end. As a matter of fact, almost seven years later I still find that there’s always a load of laundry to be done only now I sometimes ignore the pile of dirty clothes until they get up and walk away.
It would pretty much be the same way with dishes. There would always be a bottle to wash. Although we were still breast feeding our son, my wife had to pump her breasts so there was always an arsenal of breast pump mechanics to be disinfected and cleaned as well. I began to formulate a design for the man-boob; some sort of breast-like device that a father could wear that would simulate the scenario of breastfeeding on mom’s teat. I’m sure it has been invented by now.
The dishwasher and the laundry machines became my new best friends, we shared coffee and conversation together most mornings although they weren’t very good at conversation – it was pretty much a one-way street but they were very attentive and great listeners.
In keeping with the cleaning m.o., I started a very intimate relationship with our vacuum cleaner. Much like dishes and dirty clothes, there wasn’t a day that went by that I felt I couldn’t find a reason to use the vacuum. That first Christmas after I became an at-home dad my wife got me one of those Dirt Devil hand-held vacuums, the only downside to the Dirt Devil was that it didn’t come with a holster. It would be much further into my tour of duty that I would discover the genius that is the Swiffer and his glorious cousin the Wet Swiffer. Somewhere down the line, I began thinking about leaving my Hoover for a Dyson, but those Dysons I just couldn’t afford.
There’s one common thread here and that is my own anal retentiveness. I found that I was becoming completely obsessive about trying to have everything clean all the time. A few years later I would learn to let go, that it was OK to not have the household clean as a whistle 24/7. I realized that the pursuit of such a thing would drive you completely bonkers. I also have come to the conclusion that it is perfectly okay to be bonkers.
Bonkers.
a few suggestions to mbieweng, if I may be so bold. I didn't detect the presence of a mod on this board and it may have helped.
No need to be bold...suggestions are always welcome. Yeah, I agree that would have helped. We will probably need mods if this continues. It's been thankfully rare so far.
Overall, my general philosophy is that everyone is an adult and to avoid modding/censoring/referring as much as possible. Admittedly idealistic, but we can dream, can't we?
I like that tree fort, my kids are buggin me for something. We bought a shed, I put a wall up to partition off an area for a fort but it was not authentic enough for my oldest, hahaha!
You should have posted more pics of the work in progress, pictures good :)
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