motorcycle purchase..selfish or not?

cowabungachris
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guys,  i need to get some opinions from other dads here.  i've been a SAHD for a year now, and i have a 2 year old little girl.  my wife has a successful career, so money is not the issue here.  i think my delimma is an ethics issue.  IS IT SELFISH OF ME TO WANT TO BUY A MOTORCYCLE?

my wife is not exactly happy with the idea, but i think she wants me to be happy, so she accepts the idea.  my problem is that i keep having the same thought pop up in my head.  am i putting my own wants before my family, namely my little girl.  of course i know that bikes are dangerous, and i can get killed.  part of me says, screw it cause i shouldn't do anything that would potentially leave my little girl without a daddy.  but then another part of me says that you only live once, and that i deserve a little fun for myself.  i'm 35, and i've always wanted a bike, but it was always just a dream.

so tell me guys, what would you do in this situation?




Zadokk
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I know how you feel about

I know how you feel about the motorcycle, I had one before I met my wife. I had to sell it for money in order to move to be closer to her before we got married. I loved that bike and I really miss riding. I would love to have one now but I know first hand the damage they can do. I wrecked mine and broke some bones and had some serious 'road rash' from it. They are great but they are very dangerous also. The reason I don't have one now is because of my kids. In this nation, other drivers don't respect motorcycles like they do in other countries so it makes driving them very dangerous. My suggestion would be to just hold off on it and look into getting one when your kids get older. Another idea would be to get a dirt bike or 4 wheeler if you have access to some land to ride on. If you do get a street bike, come to terms with not 'if' you wreck but 'when' you wreck. Wear a helmet and get some leather gear to reduce the damage and take safety driving courses.

I love it and miss it and hope to ride again one day but not till the kids are grown up.



Hogan
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Itching to Purchase Motorcycle Too

My issue is money.

I owned motorcycles (street and dirt) before marriage and kids.  I really miss the "ride".  I enjoyed the alone time on the bike and the wind blowing in my face. Very theraputic.

I recently discussed buying a motorcycle with Tina and she expressed the same concerns.  Nevertheless, if I had the money there would be one happy Harvey-Davidson salesman.

As far as motorcycle safety.  Yes, I've had close calls but my defensive approach to driving one kept me alive and accident free.  (Driving a motorcycle has also made me a better car driver.)

Since you haven't owned a motorcycle before, I suggest you take a motorcycle driving class before making the decision.

My kids are older, 21, 19, and 16.  Having young kids makes the decision tougher.  Not just because the kids may become fatherless but dad will also miss out on seeing them grow up.

I don't think it is selfish.  I think the bigger issue is whether you feel comfortable with the decision to own and ride one.

 



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I Am One Too

I have wanted a bike as well for a long time and was never in a position to own one.  Now I am and my wife totally forbids it.  She says that she does not want to have a vegetable for a husband.  I know that I would invest in leather, helmet and other good safety gear as I know that others do not especially look out for bikers.  I know I personally do however, I also know that I am the exception to the rule.

Then there is the other good point that was brought up and that is our children.  Do I seriously want to risk them not having a father for their entire lives if God forbid I got into an accident on the bike and it was fatal?  Not sure I would want my children to have to deal with that.  I have also thought of getting a dirt bike as well however, those are able to be just as dangerous as well.

Your topic and the responses so far have giving me new things to contemplate that I had not be previously thinking of.  I hope my little two cents worth is helpful to you as well.



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David Crosby once said...

..."If you want to be in a better position to recieve a liver transplant, move to a state with no helmet laws."

Drivers in general have become such morons, I wouldn't strap my ass into anything without steel doors.

Your kid goes to college in only 16 years, so I'd wait 'till then.

That Homeschooling Dad



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You too can be an organ donor. . .

I used to ride a motorcycle. I also used to be a instructor/coach with my state's motorcycle safety program. (I highly recommend signing up for a course when/if you decide to get your license.)

The problem is that no matter how careful you are out on the streets there will always be other drivers who are completely oblivious to you. They'll cut you off in traffic, turn immediately in front of you, etc.

In a car or truck, this can amount to little more than a fender bender, but on a motorcycle (no matter who is at fault), the motorcycle rider ends the loser.

Granted, I've met people that have riden their whole lives without an accident, and I've know people that have been seriously hurt and/or killed on motorcycles. Only you can decide what level of risk you're comfortable with.

By the way, my driver's license does say "organ donor" on it. I figure I can't take them with me, right?



cowabungachris
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after a lot of thought, i've

after a lot of thought, i've decided against getting a bike, especially while my little girl is so young.  i think i will probably consider it again in about 18 years, but i really think it would be selfish of me to not put her 1st just because its something i would like to have.  no regrets, she counts more to me than a bike.



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FWIW, I too used to want to

FWIW, I too used to want to ride a motorcycle...so I went out and bought one.  LOVED IT!

I then bought a bigger one.  Faster, rode nicer, looked better.  LOVED IT EVEN MORE!

I would always respond to people who questioned the safety of my motorcycle by saying that: 1) I never drank anything when riding; 2) I paid supreme, extreme attention to what I was doing and rode cautiously; 3) motorcycles have much better responsiveness than cars and I can 'ride my way out of any trouble'; 4) I wear a helmet, pants, leather jacket, gloves, etc. etc.

Then, one clear, sunny, gorgeous 60 degree day, I was riding along down a 4 lane highway.  It's an old highway, with no divider, and houses on both sides.  Narrow lanes, no shoulder, and these really pretty brick and stone walls along the houses.  As I rode along, I had oncoming traffic coming towards me when a car backed out of a driveway on my right.  So my options were (from left to right: 1) brick wall; 2) head on into oncoming traffic; 3) broadside car that backed out into both lanes; 4) brick wall.  I chose option #3, and applied maximum braking force (without locking up) that I could, hoping to get stopped.  Using my bike's excellent braking, I did get stopped.  However, the car behind me did not, and ended up swerving around me and hitting the car that backed out, broadside.

There are situations where, no matter how careful you are, the other idiots on the road will take you out.  I put my bike up for sale that week and haven't ridden since.  I really, really miss it...especially on warm, sunny days when I'm going somewhere by myself.  But it's just not worth the risk to me.  Bike riders who have ridden a lot say that it isn't if you're going to have an accident...it's when.



Coach Mike
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Ride on young man! Ride on!

I a have an 18 year old son and a 3 and a half year old son.  I've been a motorcycle rider the whole time.  My belief is that this life is too short as it is to not enjoy it as much as you can.  Is that selfish?  Depends on who's judging and where they're coming from.  Some would say, "You could become a vegetable or end up dead," and others would say, "Live your life, it's too short as it is."  (I think I just said that!)...But what it comes down to is, there's no guarantee or even assurance that in this life you will come out unscarred, no matter what you do (or ride).  And there's not guarantee that you won't no matter what   you don't do (and don't ride), so ultimately, what it comes down to is, "How much do you want to enjoy yourself?"   If enjoying yourself is selfish, then that's okay, really, because "selfish" is merely a word and a judgement.  My advice to you and to others who have said so on here, it don't let your wife "forbid" anything.  If you start letting her forbid this and that, it will only increase until you're acting more like her son than her husband.  Is that harsh?  Maybe, but I don't think so, because at the end of the dayshe wants you to be a man, her husband, and not her son.  If she's confused about that, why should that keep you off the bike?  Get it my friend, ride it long anand just enjoy yourself.  I'm never happier that when I ride my bike, and that I come home a better husband and father because of it.  Do it!

Coach Mike



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i like all of your comments,

i like all of your comments, especially what Coach Mike said.  However, I just don't feel right about getting one right now.  Coach Mike said that you should enjoy yourself because there are no assurances, and I agree with that.  And it isn't like my wife has really forbid my getting a bike.  She's just made it known that she'd prefer that I didn't get one because she doesn't think they are safe.  I realize that I am a rather accident-prone guy, so I need to take that into consideration.  I think that "when and not if" view to motorcycle accident definately applies to me.  I've even been known to fall down the stairs once.  I think that its a risk i just don't want to take.  Yeah, I don't want Sophia to miss out on her daddy should something happen to me on the bike, but I also don't want to miss out on future memories with her because I chose to get the bike.  I think I'll just hold off for a long while and wait until she's grown.  I am comfortable with that decision.



eshanks
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no question..get a bike

Bikes are great.  Lots of fun.  Good for manhood!  Ive never been hurt and my father has never been hurt while riding his entire life.  I have been hurt playing men's league on sunday nights.  Treat yourself and experience instant gratitude and countless spiritual experiences while riding on a beautiful summer afternoon.  Best!



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I say use it for something else...

I agree that they are dangerous and am glad to hear you have decided to hold off on getting a bike.  If you didn't have any kids I would say go for it, even though I would not.  Then again, I have no interests in having a motorcycle.  I did have a Minibike as teenager.  That to me is more fun, and less dangerous.  To each his own.

My suggestion is use this to get something else you want.  Maybe a 50 inch Plasma/LCD TV.  How about a new fishing boat?  The thought of you wanting a Non dangerous item in "exchange" for giving up your cycle dreams should be such a relief she will give in to the new safe purchase.  Just a thought.



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Big screen TV, huh?

I just found this little tidbit:

"New Haven, Conn. — The Yale College term bill for the 2009–10 academic year will be $47,500, an increase of 3.3 percent over the current charges for tuition, room and board."

Now, the market being what it is, that motorcyle cash may or may not have a decent return for a while, but if you have 18 or so years to let it cook, and at the rate tuition is going up, you might be in OK shape by then to pay for half a semester!

 

That Homeschooling Dad



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Another biker

I've been on motorcycles longer than most of you guys have been alive.. Over the years, I've seen how dangerous it has become riding one today.  Especially with cell phones, texting and the way cars are built to be so quiet, controllable and powerful.  We bikers call them cages..

Two years ago, I was sitting in traffic, stopped for a light on my new Goldwing when a young woman drove into me.  She was passing in a no passing zone straddling the double yellow lines.  I never knew what hit me.. I heard a "bang", thinking (what the hell was that?).. and was looking up at the sky from the road. This is after never, ever having a cycle accident.. Wasn't even my fault.. Get this,, the driver told the cops she never saw me..

This is the kind of incident bikers need to be aware of along with the unconscience ones on the highways..

None the less, it didn't stop me from riding.. The insurance company paid for a new bike, medical costs and a settlement. 

I believe that if you want to do something with your life,, do it..  You can lose your life while laying in your bed or crossing the street.. there is no specific "end date" on your birth certificate.  Enjoy your life as best you can..



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On The Lighter Side

A man was riding his Harley along a California beach when suddenly the sky clouded above his head and, in a booming voice, the Lord  said,
"Because you have TRIED to be faithful to me in all ways, I will grant you one wish."
The biker pulled over and said, "Build a bridge to Hawaii so I can ride over anytime I want."
The Lord said, "Your request is materialistic, think of the enormous challenges for that kind of undertaking; the supports required to reach the bottom of the Pacific and the concrete and steel it would  take!  It will nearly exhaust several natural resources. I can  do it, but it is hard for me to justify your desire for worldly things. Take a little more time and think of something that could possibly help mankind."

The biker thought about it for a long time.

Finally, he said, "Lord, I wish that I and all men could  understand our wives; I want to know how she feels inside, what she's  thinking when she gives me the silent treatment, why she cries, what she  means when she says nothing's wrong, and how I can make a woman truly happy."

The Lord replied,   "You want two lanes or four on that bridge?"

___

The MileHighDad



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I do not ride but do other

I do not ride but do other risky things like surf and extreme sports.  I think you should do it.  You are a man and in need of adventure.  I totally agree with the statement goldwing made, drivers today are getting even worse than in the past.  Everybody thinks all the signs are layed out for them, cell phones, texting etc.  If you want to get one than do it; it is not being selfish.  If anything it would be teaching your daughter to pursue her hobbies and dreams.

Brad



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I've ridden, raced, and

I've ridden, raced, and worked in the motorcycle industry for 15+ years.  I totally understand the desire to ride.  I quit my job as a m/c dealership business manager of 12 years to stay at home with my twin daughters because the bike business has really gone south in this economy.  My wife had the opportunity to go back to work in the dental field and the writing was on the wall for me.  I still want to ride.  I started off riding alot of motocross, and started roadracing in my late teens.  I've owned dozens of bikes and still have quite an urge to go out and do track days, roadrace, and ride motocross.  But, I've also spent a large portion of my life doing those things and have no problem putting that on hold.  I'm not missing anything, I've been there, done it, got the t-shirt.  When my girls (almost 4 now) are a bit more grown up, say in their teens at least, I want to get back in to roadracing or track days at least.  I've had some serious injuries over the years, but thank God I'm pretty healthy still.  I was "invincible" like all of us were in my 20's but I've seen enough injuries and a few deaths over the years to know I'm fortunate and lucky, not invincible any more.  My kids are a priority, and I don't want to miss a minute.  But I also know that the day will come where if "the worst" should happen, and I will take every precaution to keep "the worst" from happening, my kids would still be fine, I will not suppress the joy of riding from myself.  I know what makes me happy, the rush from letting my brain come unplugged for a minute and riding hard.  But I will wait until I've had a chance to show my kids what little I know about life before I take that risk however slight it may be.  I know the OP doesn't have the same experience as myself,  but I hope I've made a point.  In my depth of experience, there are many ways to enjoy the art and magic of motorcycles.  I've also seen that riding on the road is by far the least favorable set of risk factors a new rider faces.  I recommend buying a dirt bike if you have a place to ride it, or buying a small sportbike and doing trackdays if you have a place to do that.  The "controlled environment" type of riding, like off-road riding and track days, does require a bigger investment to start on than merely meeting the legal requirements of road riding, but the long term level of enjoyment and safety of yourself and the security of your family is totally worth it.



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Motorcycle or not?

I couple years ago I purchased a 1980 XS650 Special2 for $400.00 and ended up sinking close to $5000.00 in parts to restore it. I found that I enjoyed working on it more than riding it and feel guilty that it's in the back yard. It's not the same as before when I wasn't a Stay at Home Dad. I haven't got the time or energy now to ride it. When I do there is always that thought in the back of my brain, "When is a car going to hit me?" I'm 48 now and started riding at 15. I know how much my child loves me and how much she would be hurt if something were to happen to me too. Besides that with the economy the way it is we could use th money much more than the bike now. Money wasn't a problem when I spent it but it became one. I can't even afford the cost to place a ad in the local paper to sell it now.



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